200T Information

[mattias]

nigel, you're obviously right, but you don't base your budget on the number feet do you? i usually start with how many minutes i need for the shooting ratio i want, and then calculate how many feet i need in the gauge i'm planning on using. :-)

[Nigel]

Here is what I have found:

Yale--16.00USD
Cinelab(Boston)--20.00USD
Super8 Sound--20.00USD

That is 40 cents per foot for Cinelab and Super8 Sound, 32 cents per foot for Yale. These prices are very high considering that you can get the same stock processed in 16mm for half that.

[AppleCore24]

Well, I may have to tone down the violence in my next film and use Yale. Or maybe just shoot it Kodachrome. I was really hoping to do it Vision 200T, but with the stock and processing being so much more expensive, and then the Rank Transfer, I don't think I can afford to fork out that much on this one. Maybe I can sell some copies of it on VCD or something and get the money to shoot Vision next time.

BTW - anybody from the DFW metroplex use a Walmart to process Kodachrome? If you do, has it worked? Which one (or ones) have you used? Which is the best? I sent directly to Kodak on my last one, and used Ektachrome for all of my films before that... Thanks in advance.

[Alex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nigel:
Here is what I have found:

Yale--16.00USD
Cinelab(Boston)--20.00USD
Super8 Sound--20.00USD

That is 40 cents per foot for Cinelab and Super8 Sound, 32 cents per foot for Yale. These prices are very high considering that you can get the same stock processed in 16mm for half that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait a minute, if Super-8 has double the frames per foot, the actual final cost is 20 cents or 16 cents per foot as a direct comparison to 16mm.

Effectively the same price as 16mm, your trade offs are faster shooting time, smaller crew, lighter gear with less power required to run it in Super-8,

In 16, you get a "better" picture, with more people-power requirements.

-Alex

[Alex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nigel:
Alex--

I agree with you on many issues. However, the last I checked a foot is foot no matter how many frames are in it. We are talking about a machine that does not care about frames. Have you ever been charged by frames shot for movie film? Or have you ever bought film by the frame(Movie Film)?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Another way to look at it, 50 feet of Super-8mm equals 100 feet of 16mm for the same running time.

So, even if Super-8 is twice the cost per foot, it in actuality is the same cost for the running time.

If the demand continues to grow for Super-8, the ensuing competition would probably drive the price down.

Now if we could just get the rank transfer prices down to $125-150 per hour.

-Alex


[This message has been edited by Alex (edited April 06, 2001).]

[Nigel]

Matt--
I do look at how many minutes I want to shoot for how long I think the scene will run on screen--I like to do a 4:1 ratio or higher when possible. I still don't think that twice the price per foot is really worth it at this point.

Alex--
Yes you are correct. If we could get people to really rally behind labs on this then the price will come down. I will gladly pay the same price per foot as 16mm. As for Xfer rates they will be dropping soon.

[Alex]

I'm awed by your stubbornness!

-Alex

[This message has been edited by Alex (edited April 07, 2001).]

[pcg]

Nigel,
What do you know about Xfer rates dropping? Specific labs? All labs? Can you be more specific? Thanks--
/Pat

[Nigel]

Pat--

CinePost in Atlanta charges 225 an hour which is less than Super8 Sound and Yale. As far as I know these are the only three places in the nation that have RANK S8 Xfer. I have heard rumours and I must say at this point that is all they are--But a post house in Minnesota is looking at buying a S8 gate for their Bosch Film Reader. This will be another element to rates.

Also, if more and more people demand more than three labs for Xfering than I would think that more and more labs would buy S8 gates.

Rates are not down to 150 per hour but I don't see why they won't get that low in a year or two. The best thing that could happen would be for Yale and Super8 SOund to have a price war!!!

[pcg]

Nigel,
I completely agree. 150/hour would be exciting. Obviously, keep us posted if another lab picks up an S8 gate...
In the meantime, I'll keep CinePost in biz!
/Pat